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Install W95 without IE3.1
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norm
2006-11-22 22:03:49 UTC
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Just about to install Win95 from HDD using the advice replies
to"Install W95 on preformatted HDD, how?" when I came across the tip
below on the. internet.

Would appreciate your comments

thanks Norm
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How to install Windows 95 OSR2 WITHOUT Microsoft Internet Explorer 3.
Just like Bill says you can't.

The original 14 floppy disk version of Windows 95 did not include IE
at all. However, when Microsoft released the CD version of Windows 95,
and later Windows 95 OSR2, they neglected to include uninstall files
for several unessential applications that only hogged hard drive
space. These applications are:

* Microsoft Internet Explorer
* Microsoft Mail and News
* The Microsoft Network (some files are installed even if the
option is unchecked)
* Online Services (ADVERTISING included in OSR2)

The Online Services and the Microsoft Network files are easily deleted
by deleting their folders. Internet Explorer along with it's MailNews
can be uninstalled by installing the downloadable version of IE 3 and
then uninstalling, although this leaves behind a ton junk. Wouldn't it
be nice to get a clean install of Windows 95 without all of this
trash? Here is how:

1: Get a Windows 95 OSR2.x CD and copy the win95 folder to a folder on
the hard drive
2: Extract the file SETUPPP.INF
3: Edit the SETUPPP.INF file and delete lines referring to the
following files:

* ohare.inf - installs IE 3 browser
* athena.inf - installs Microsoft Mail and News (IE 3 e-mail
client)
* mos.inf - Microsoft Network and on-line registration.
* msinfo.inf - on line services.

4: If you deleted the reference to msinfo.inf, you may now delete the
files: CS3KIT.EXE, SETUP25I.EXE, SETUP32.EXE and WOWKIT.EXE.
5: The file LAYOUT.INF should already be present. If not, extract it.
6: Edit the LAYOUT.INF file, find where it lists SETUPPP.INF and
change the file size to match the new SETUPPP.INF you created. (If you
don't, setup will bomb out thinking the file is corrupted).
7: If the hard drive is partitioned and otherwise clean, you may now
run setup. You may also want to burn these files to a recordable CD if
you have access to one for future installations.

(Bit on Windows 95 OSR 2.5 SNIPPED)

NOTE: Running this modified install as an upgrade on a system that
already has any version of IE will not remove IE.
NOTE: When looking for files, the Windows 95 installer first looks in
the current folder and THEN in the cabs. The files you extracted will
be used in place of the ones in the cabs.
NOTE: If you plan to use another web browser that makes use of
Internet shortcuts, you will need to extract URL.DLL (CAB 08) and
SHLWAPI.DLL to your system folder. Also place a copy of URL.DLL in
your C:\WINDOWS\SYSBCKUP folder.

BUGS: I have noticed, that if Setup does not reboot right after
finishing (the point where it asks you to set up printers), and tries
to launch Explorer instead, you may get the error "DESKTOP not found,
the folder has been moved or removed" and Explorer will not start. I
think this is caused by something not running in the mos.inf
(Microsoft Network) file, but I am not sure. If that happens, just
press CTRL-ESC to start task manager, and either manually run
Explorer, or restart the computer.

I have tested this with Windows 95 OSR2 (cab dates: 8/24/96), and it
works great. OSR2.1 is exactly the same as OSR2.0, except the USB
update file is included on the CD. This method might also work with
the original Windows 95, although msinfo.inf would not be present. I
have not tested these instructions with OSR 2.5, but it sounds like it
should work.

I have installed using this method on a number of computers and they
worked perfectly.

(I think the author is Nathan's MAD IE De-integration Lab)
jas0n
2006-11-29 08:28:37 UTC
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In article <***@news.zetnet.co.uk>, ***@here.com
says...
Post by norm
Just about to install Win95 from HDD using the advice replies
to"Install W95 on preformatted HDD, how?" when I came across the tip
below on the. internet.
Would appreciate your comments
Timewarp ... 10 years too late?
Johnny B Good
2006-11-29 19:02:48 UTC
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Post by jas0n
says...
Post by norm
Just about to install Win95 from HDD using the advice replies
to"Install W95 on preformatted HDD, how?" when I came across the tip
below on the. internet.
Would appreciate your comments
Timewarp ... 10 years too late?
Plus, AFAICR, win95osr2 and 2.1 _didn't_ pre-install IE of any flavour,
just a desktop shortcut to the installer which could be simply deleted.

The only version of win95 that tried to impose IE was osr2.5 (the
version that identifies itself as win95C) and that had nothing to do
with IE3.xx since it was trying to inflict IE4 on the system and
windows98ise the desktop.

This could be stopped dead in its tracks by ctrl/alt/del and selecting
shutdown at that point in the install proceedings where it was trying to
complete the IE install. The next boot would be into a nice clean, IE
free OS paving the way for a subsequent IE5.5 install devoid of the IE4
baggage.

The only possible way that IE3 might get automatically installed[1]
that I can think of, is by way of failing to select custom install over
'standard install'. Nobody with a clue would be so stupid (and lazy) as
to accept the standard install options.

The default 'standard install' options were obviously selected as a
'punishment' for the terminally stupid (a Microsoft tradition that's
still being maintained to this present day).

[1] It must be a good 5 years or more since I last did a full install of
win95osr2 so I can't remember whether an IE install option was one the
many stupid options that I deselected in the custom install options menu
that I always made use of on any install.
--
Regards, John.

Please remove the "ohggcyht" before replying.
The address has been munged to reject Spam-bots.
norm
2006-11-30 11:21:57 UTC
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On Wed, 29 Nov 2006 19:02:48 GMT, Johnny B Good
Post by Johnny B Good
Post by jas0n
says...
Post by norm
Just about to install Win95 from HDD using the advice replies
to"Install W95 on preformatted HDD, how?" when I came across the tip
below on the. internet.
Would appreciate your comments
<silly remark>
Plus, AFAICR, win95osr2 and 2.1 _didn't_ pre-install IE of any flavour,
just a desktop shortcut to the installer which could be simply deleted.
The only version of win95 that tried to impose IE was osr2.5 (the
version that identifies itself as win95C) and that had nothing to do
with IE3.xx since it was trying to inflict IE4 on the system and
windows98ise the desktop.
This could be stopped dead in its tracks by ctrl/alt/del and selecting
shutdown at that point in the install proceedings where it was trying to
complete the IE install. The next boot would be into a nice clean, IE
free OS paving the way for a subsequent IE5.5 install devoid of the IE4
baggage.
The only possible way that IE3 might get automatically installed[1]
that I can think of, is by way of failing to select custom install over
'standard install'. Nobody with a clue would be so stupid (and lazy) as
to accept the standard install options.
The default 'standard install' options were obviously selected as a
'punishment' for the terminally stupid (a Microsoft tradition that's
still being maintained to this present day).
[1] It must be a good 5 years or more since I last did a full install of
win95osr2 so I can't remember whether an IE install option was one the
many stupid options that I deselected in the custom install options menu
that I always made use of on any install.
--
Regards, John.
Thanks for useful comment. I installed W95OS2.1using the IE free hack
and it seemed to work fine, even got back to broaband. BUT after
installing the Soundblaster stuff there was still no Vol control
showing in task bar: No sndvol.exe even the windows folder. It was
still in one the CAB files on the hard disk so I guess the hack was
too deep. Maybe something to do with removing setup32.exe?

Back to do a non hacked install I think

Norm

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